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5 hours ago, Anatriax said:

The story is good (once). 
It's prettier than Skyrim (not by much, but still).
With all of the downfalls, there is a lot of room to grow. 

These 3 things give me hope that modders will MAKE it a great game. 

Hopefully, like I said earlier I'll give it a year and then come back, I'm not happy because I paid Bethesda £40 to entertain me, I didn't pay them £40 so a year down the line modders might do it. I only have myself to blame, I should never have brought the thing, the prerelease control freakery from Bethesda had alarm bells ringing in my head, it looked like they had something to hide or weren't confident in their product, I didn't pre-order because of that, what I did a few days way to buy it on the recommendation of a friend, he has since apologised. 

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Fallout 4 received record sales figures.
Now it could be that a lot of people bought the game that didn't end up liking it I suppose.  That leads to the question, since the majority of the sales were through Steam, and they have a guarantee on the game why didn't the haters return the game for a refund?
Then there's the fact that FO4 broke the record for the number of people playing a Non-Valve game on Steam.
Maybe that was just a bunch of people figuring out that they hated the game all at the same time?  If that's the case, that's quite a coincidence.

No one doubts that it sold a lot, with that level of hype it should of done, what people aren't happy about is that fact that they paid for an RPG and didn't get one, they paid for a Fallout game and instead got a poor mans Far Cry. Let's not confuse sales with quality, Justin Bieber sells a lot of records, McDonalds sell a lot of food, thats doesn't mean any of it is any good. The games problems take more than 2 hours to show themselves, people can't refund after that, if I could refund it I would.

Dark0ne posted the download numbers for the period between Skyrims release and the CKs release, the numbers were pretty steady, the numbers for Fallout 4 are on a constant downward slope, that is backed up my Steamspys player numbers which show that it's gone a from a massive high to around the level of Skyrim, sometimes even lower. Look at gaming sites away from the Nexus and Beths forums, the game is rarely mentioned and when it is it's seldom anything positive. 

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It also has consistently high reviews pretty much across the board.
Bethesda is calling it their most successful title to date, and the numbers support that.

It's the lowest rated Fallout game on Steam, below Fallout 3 and Tactics. 

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So anyway my point it that there are all the indications that Fallout 4 is an excellent game; and my personal feeling is that it is the best game that Bethesda has ever made . . . so why do I see so much more negative things about the game on the various forums than I see positive things?   Are the others who love the game afraid of being called Bethesda Apologists?   Are they intimidated by the vitriol of those who hate it?  Let's face it, some of the FO4 haters are . . . violently opposed to the game.
 

Why is it an excellent game? I've noticed those who say that never say why, instead they dismiss those with genuine concerns as "haters", classic post purchase rationalisation. 

Just now, Anatriax said:

Yes exactly. 

Good news. True Storms was converted over REALLY fast. Maybe that means once we have CK, other fantastic Skyrim/FNV mods will be converted over easily, making it a much better game

I wasn't a fan of Fallout 3 either, I got as far as Megaton and hit ALT+F4, I hated it and never come back to it for a about a year. Since going back after that year I've clocked up 100's of hours all thanks to mods, it's still a terrible RPG but with the right mods it's a fun game, I'm hoping FO4 is like that in a years time. 

2 hours ago, Anatriax said:

Season passes are a joke, and honestly I feel they milk more money out of peole than the people save.

I might be being overly cynical here but I think they knew the game wasn't very good and used a season pass to get as much money up front as possible.

2 hours ago, ritualclarity said:

No, what you are waiting for is a mature modding community to come along and rework the game the way it should have been. Then have Anatriax come along and make a massive tutorial on how to get all them installed and working smoothly...

Just say'in. ;).

For me it would need remaking from the ground up, it's something that would take modders years and given the way player numbers have fallen off a cliff I'm not holding out much hope . Earlier titles all had a foundation to build on, I wouldn't even know where to start with Fallout 4, the dialogue system is as good as non existent, there are no skills, there's no reputation system, the AI is actually worse than FO3/NV, I'm struggling to think of anything positive. The basics of an RPG aren't there and it'll take a mammoth effort to put them in.

I had to force myself to finish Fallout 4's main quest, long before it was finished I was sick of being sent from one shooting gallery to the next.  I started a new game, this time I thought I'd try being an evil character, it didn't take long before I realised that you can't play a different character evil or otherwise, you can only play the one Bethesda created, sure you can change the appearance and gender but it's still the same concerned parent, with the same voice.

You can't express your character through dialogue because it's so limited, you can't express it through actions because the lack of a reputation system means nothing you gets noticed or matters and you can't express it by creating a different kind of build, the replacement of skills with level restricted perks means you'll be a jack of all trades. 

38 minutes ago, ritualclarity said:

I agree a bit of talent and great attitude is always welcome here. As for the skill set... perhaps as we grow we can implement some tutorials to help with increasing skill-sets for those that wish to have this. I also see some of the more experienced members chiming in to help those starting off with some tips and hints to help them along.

As for adding to the place, you are doing great. Adding screenshots where someone that comes here can see what can be done is very useful. An easy way to add more is to help some of the members that might be trying to replicate your photos follow your mod list and such so that can also get such beautiful results as well.

Take it from me... I only fired up GECK a hand full of times and really didn't to much with it when I did... Same goes with nifscope. I am familiar with them but haven't used them. I almost exclusively supplied support to users in resolving their modding issues. Trust me, that alone helps greatly. Helps the site, and helps the mod content creators focus on their craft and continue working on their mods instead of heavy support. They can watch the thread for reported / confirmed bugs and go back to work.. ;).

 

It's not so much a lack of skills, I cannot get my head around 3d modeling but I'm alright with most other things, it's more a lack of time, organisation and motivation.

I started one a little while ago, it was going to be an 80s bar for New Vegas, it would have been as lore friendly as dragons but I've never much cared for that. I created a worldspace and did the exterior, then I made a start on the interior, retextured a bunch of stuff and then thought I'd better do the music before I do anything else, that's when I met the horror that is New Vegas's audio system. I was expecting it to be the same as Oblivion and Fallout 3, create a music set and then have the cell play tracks from the set randomly.

I won't go into detail but it involves creating media sets, attaching them to a media controller and then an audio marker, that marker has three levels of sound set to play at various distances from it, there are other settings in the there that screw everything up, this is on top of the already buggy audio and the problem with MP3s over 192kps not playing properly. I had 100 tracks ready, I soon gave up, I wasn't going to go through that hell for each track, especially when the mod would have had to have been a private share because of the music, the final straw came when the game was still playing Culture Club while I'm back in the wastes fighting the Legion. 

2 hours ago, Kendo 2 said:

Good to see familiar faces here. 

Thanks, I'm more or a screenshot person than a modder so I'm not sure how much I'll be adding to the place.

Hi, I was told about this place in a PM over at the Nexus where I spend most of my time.