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Your post ^ made me take another look at Fallout 4... Seriously, you are making someone pay for that?

They have done the impossible so far. They have pissed off their most strongest supporters and the rest of the community. They are on the defensive and just sticking by their guns. They have shown a total lack of care for what is being stated except where they can ban their supporters ( like that you-tuber that requested that something be fixed that she thought was wrong.. nothing negative) It is very possible that they would start to request mods be taken down that are like the ones that they have. Even more so with the interview where they state that they own the original concepts (Stealth armor etc) so they aren't taking already created content from the community and putting it on the CC. They are setting the lines up and showing that they own these assets so that when the do (and I believe they will ) start doing takedowns.... they will not care. The question is ... are then going to do it with the current community assets/games or wait until a new game is released with CC included. I believe if they are continued being attacked for the content on the CC as being copies they will not care and submit take down request (and then take it legal later if needed) to prove their point. They are showing that they are committed to the new program and that they don't give a flying fuck what someone thinks. They will continue down this path in one form or another (only minor alterations like increased record counts possible if they can get Sony to get their jack boot off the modding concept and allow this to happen) I believe they are showing that they are setting themselves up to take on the modding community indirectly (which they are currently) but directly if needed. They are thinking on their future (their concept anyway of that ) and what they desire for the next 1,5,10 year out and what the gaming business will be and they are setting themselves up for that. If that means that they kill what "was" for what they precieve "will be" then they will believe they are doing the right thing. They are showing very scary moves and if you read between the lines it is even more frighting if you like the "status quo". and the modding community as you understand it. Modding is a market and a commodity. Bethesda and such is a business and they will treat it as such. It is untapped potential and they will exploit it for what they can. To be honest they will succeed in their plan as they will make money on the process and that is all they care about. They don't care about the rich community or protecting it. They believe (and might be correct ) that people will still buy the game. The people they are marketing it to isn't the same people that were the focus of a few years or more ago. It is those that have consoles (or console mentality) and interested in micro transactions etc. The modding community (at least as far as Bethesda games and the way things were in the past) is in its final death throws and many still ignore the facts but in time after the shock, anger, sadness there will be acceptance of this. Bethesda knows this and is looking at the long picture (Pete Hines interview shown me this) The world of Bethesda Modding is dead as we know it.

I do really hope that that is fake...

No problems

Dollars are no good here, says Pete Hines/ Bethesda.. lol. We need Creation Club credits (showing that they drink their own cool-aid. The only explanation how they can be so far off and do so many stupid things)

Credits will do fine, No they won't... Yep, Bethesda isn't going to buy that

That song about sums it up. It sums it up quite well. Now I am sad Knowing that I will likely never experience the pleasure and joy I had in the past with Fallout 3 and to a lesser degree Fallout NV. I was never really a fan of the TES series. so now ... I have nothing to look forward to from Bethesda... except watching the crash and burn that they seem to be having on an almost daily basis.

That alone is a win in itself. If I played it I would like to play with myself... lol. (not have it on a server or if it was on a server it was on someone I knew) Speaking of servers... wonder if someone here would like to set one up? It might be cool for members to be able to play the game together and such. It is nice that there is a slow growing mod scene. I like it when it slowly grows in the beginning. It makes me feel as if they are doing it as needed and I believe those individuals and others will stick around for the long haul (or be more likely to) Not popping in for some quick fame.

It is always interesting to listen to popular music from other places from time to time.

Classic song. Nice touch giving us the different renditions of the song. I am kind of partial to the muddy waters version myself. That song lends itself to blues etc better IMO

One way to keep CDPR true to its origin is to constantly tell the world how much you love the company, its products and its culture. Doing this and keeping them informed of the feelings of the vast majority of their customer base would help in my opinion. so long as the management team is in effect there I believe they will continue to do what they do the way they do it. I don't have delusions, I know there will be games that aren't quite what I want or might be below expectations, however, they have had this in the past and they have improved game, over game, over game and show a constant striving to better themselves. So if something is lower than expected or there are issues, this shows through that they are honest and have integrity and will strive to do better and better as time goes on. This is probably one of the best aspects a company can show their consumers. I am getting a bit concerned with their growth and more dev teams, as much as I am getting excited at the aspect that there will be more selection of games and they will come faster and faster. My concern is the aspect of growth does make management a challenge as the current group of leaders get thinned out. I truly hope that they hire the right people and develop them properly to extend the same culture and not thin it out. Bethesda in its early days of Morrowwind etc, had this to some degree or another and as they grew they lost touch and once other companies took over... it was gone. It is difficult to keep the spark going in situations like that. .If they can do this... then CDPR is going to be great for a very, very long time.

I don't see them only releasing the CC for those accepted into the Creation Club. However, based on what they have done, this might be the case if they get really stupid. I do see them only releasing the CK for those that belong to their Site/Club etc and are members. As for the difference. Honestly it isn't the fault of Bethesda (one of the few times it isn't) that there is a limit for Xbox, or a stronger one for Play Station. There are easy ways around this aspect. In reality I suspect even if they had larger record counts and allowed true "DLC Sized" content which wouldn't fit on the consoles, there will be a plenitude of simple armor mods or small groups of armor mods. There are people on the mod sites for them that make an real effort to get their stuff on Xbox and even try to address their customers. If this was done correctly with some small royalties, the bug fixes and even smaller markets like Sony's Playstation would be covered. Think of it this way. You created many single armors. If you got a few cents for 1000's of armors that would really add up in time for something you were already creating for another, yet larger mod. It is a simple thing to pull some of the best armors and other content out to give to the consoles. The only way for them (Bethesda) to really make this a success and really make a dent is to address the PC market directly and allow the "chips to fall where they may". In time and with this being certified content from Bethesda (them taking responsibility for it) Sony might indeed open up more availability for this. after all it is "official content". Maybe not now on the current system. There might be some technical issue with this hardware/software wise however, very possible going forward. It is only going to benifit Sony (and Xbox) to open up to more of this type of content and become more flexible. They have a large share of the market and growing by the day. That combined with the push to be able to be cross platform for games then you have essentially the ability to have freedom for whichever hardware selection you choose from consoles or PCs and be able to play the games. Ideally this would be the next step in the direction for consoles.

Nice,touch. 4th wall break. A bit corny at the end but ... how many other companies will take time out to do such a simple but really special thing for their customers? The new Witcher game wouldn't be the same without Geralt. Also it is very difficult to catch the feeling and excitement when creating a game in the universe that was part of our favorite games. It is very risky. I wonder how they will do this. Perhaps a prequel to a time before Geralt. Perhaps another witcher and his/her experience in an ever more modern world, where magic and such is a very rare occurrence covered up by the governments and other entities (churches and such) and the very nature of him/her and the work they do is to be kept secret... Or, another conjunction with fresh experiences and horrors and the need to start the horrible experiences again and new Witchers are created (perhaps this time where you could create your own witcher using the sex, school and perhaps even race... there are mentions of possibility of elves being witchers in the past per the game) Time will tell. I have a fair amount of confidence that they will do a great job at whatever they do r/t this.

They could easily name or catagorize the mods to specific platform (in the case above to PC) due to the ability to hold larger contents etc, etc. Nobody states that they have to have the same mod for all three or more (in the future) editions. They are the ones that are trying to do this and it won't work well. They will starve the PC market.... causing the drive to create mods to diminish and in the end harm their bottom line by lowering the interest in future Bethesda games except from console gamers which most aren't (that is dedicated) skilled in modding and if they are, they aren't' interested. There is great interest in Fallout NV and Skyrim not becuase of consoles but because of the back end scripting being so mature. (Extention and other tools) Without PC development to drive that the mods and interest will be lower IMO. The case in point is Skyrim SE and Fallout 4. It is nowhere near where FNV, Skyrim was at this time in its release.

Gopher was on the CC bandwagon. It wasn't until the bait and switch that was done that he lost his mind. Remember the comments of "DLC sized"? What we didn't realize is we were thinking of large ones not the size of the horse armor in Oblivion days. They are doing exactly what they stated, however, they misslead everybody. There double speak is epic. Many "fan boys" have lost their mind for various reasons with the final result of this project he isn't alone in this matter. Shame of it is/was is that they could have done something great with this. Like much of other things they have done, great opportunities are literately fucked over in the worst way each and every time. For example, increase the size of the CC content max, not to auto download so that someone from fucking reddit or elesewhere could "legally" create a esp to access the content which was essentially give away for free (forced download) A bit of money up front while working on the mod and if the author is successful in the CC field they could be offered an elevated position where they get some sort of royalties. A small percentage of the sales, not much but very likely more than they could get from Patrion. (3~5% of sales after x %) or other changes. Any improvement on what they did would have been much better than this.

It isn't like "real artist" haven't used blood, urine and other bodily fluids to create art. It isn't an original idea. Andres Serrano did this as well many, many years ago. It is ashame that they are doing it for attention to themselves, as opposed to attention to the art itself, meaning behind the art, the emotions created from viewing the art (face value) etc, etc. It appears to me at least it is just attention getting and not really worth anyone's time.

Gopher was just understanding what was being "sold" to us. He looked at the upsides which if Bethesda did what they stated they would do (more than 4000 records) etc. He is as much as many of us feeling seriously lied to. Not all of us had the foresight that some of us have. Some didn't see this coming even though there was serious hints that this was coming. Now, the other shoe dropped and now everybody even the Bethesda Fan boy that loved and adored Bethesda and their offerings is now realizing Bethesda isn't the "golden" company that those fans thought it was. I am interested in seeing how his long term reaction will be now that he can clearly see what Bethesda is really like and what they think of their customers and the modding community which includes him as he is an established Bethesda modder in his own right.

^ Above is a very good explanation of our processes from a member's perspective (not stated by ourselves) we live up to that. We as far as I know haven't deleted or edited anything without the owners understanding of the reason, and those times it was due to those issues which Kendo stated above. If anything has been changed there is a different color text and a very explicit explanation. (one example is the Skyrim Tutorial and that was only done with permission from the author ) This has lead to a very healthy,open and accepting community. We intend to keep it this way as long as we are involved in the matter. Furthermore we have no problem with someone taking a conversation or issue PM to discuss some issue further (for better clarification or such) on almost any matter. Finally, we are unconcerned with levels of activity (more,less don't matter) We have no goals to become large or "popular' we just want to be a very pleasant site to go to to discuss games and similar subjects. It is completely up to the member what level of activity they wish to engage in (unlike others sites)

You aren't allowed to use those words here if you will cry and have a fit because someone gives you back as hard as you give Don't worry Karma, sorry I missed this somehow. In any case if you, or others, miss some word or slang, just ask for clarification of the term. Someone should be able to help clarify it. I don't consider that derailing the thread as everybody needs to understand the conversation as much as possible. To be honest I don't know most of the colorful terms that Kendo comes up with...He is a regular slang libary.. lol Carifications to the words given above ... to the best of my ability... not sure on the last one.

They were so wrong.... Oh we are so terrible... horrible. The worst experiences you will ever have on a site in your life.... run, run fast as you can In any case, glad to see you here and hope you have a fun time here and enjoy yourself.

Yes, I think we need to know how you successfully completed this so that we can do it as well.

Why would anyone recommend you to come to this site lol

Wait... I know what is going on... The Board of Directors on EA and the individual divisions are having a contest. The contest is who can do the most stupid thing possible. In my opinion MEA's people is doing the most stupid things but Bethesda is not to be trifled with, they will surprise us with the levels of stupidity that they can go to. However, lets be honest, blaming their customers complaints for the reason they killed multi million dollar franchise when they were responsible for releasing an unfinished game... that is pretty much the heights of stupidity IMO. It will be very hard for Bethesda to beat that.

Steam automatically gives you the Skyrim SE if you have all the DLCs or GOTY when it was released. At least as far as I know. So far this crap hasn't happened to either of the Skyrims. I don't believe it will happen to the old Skyrim however I do believe it will be rolled out to Skryim SE however that will be some time and you don't have it so you are safe. (since you also don't have Fallout 4 installed, however, I wouldn't put it past them to make the game auto load based on what is going on now... just kidding.. lol however, .... um... they couldn't be that stupid... wait... they have done lots of very stupid things so far... now I am scared. :P) Update; Checked and there are no CC crap mods added to either Skyrim edition ... so far. I verified cache and double checked.

The mods are pre-downloaded as I understand it. Good luck on being able to install many more games due to the limited space the Xbone has and due to the amount of mods that will be shoved into your xbone so that you can pay and instantly have access to the mods.. sorry... um... Creation Content. Please don't ban me for making a mistake in terminology...